With Affirmative Action becoming a dying institution, and Minority Scholarships appearing to be coming to an end. I am beginning to wonder if The 1970's, 80's, and 90's were the "Reconstruction Era" of the 20th century? For those who are unfamiliar with 'Reconstruction' that was the name of the era right after the Civil War (1865) to the 1890s.

After the Civil War slavery was declared illegal (13th amendment), blacks were granted citizenship in the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which was reinforced along with voting rights in (14th & 15th amendments). The Civil Rights Act of 1873 made racial discrimination in public places illegal. For a very brief period blacks in America used their new found freedom to vote, run for political offices (many of the 1st black congressmen like Hiram Revels came from this period), and to educate themselves (the 1st Black Colleges were built during this time). This golden age started to crumble in the late 1880's when a white backlash arose to criticize black advancement at the expense of whites. The slaughterhouse cases of the 1880s determined that citizenship for blacks only ensured their right to move freely from state to state. The Civil Rights Act of 1873 was struck down, and racial hostilities became so extremely that the 1896 Plessy v. Ferguson decision (which made racial segregation legal) was easily passed in the Supreme Court.

Events of the past 20 years seems so similar to those of 100 years past that it isn't even funny. Since the Regan administration there has been an increasing outcry of "perceived" black advancement at the expense of whites. Other wise known as Reverse Discrimination, whites are using this belief to attack (successfully I might add) Affirmative Action, Minority Scholarships, and even the neccessity of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. There are even debates, and rumors of re-segregating schools in the South. These hostilities have led to an increasing amount of "accepted" racism in American society. African-Americans regardless of education are having an increasingly hard time getting jobs, particularly now that the economy is in shambles. This situation will not improve in the forseeable future as Bush (who more than likely will get re-elected to a 2nd term) is content to constant focus on War. That his only domestic attention has been on the University of Michigan's Affirmative Action policy speaks volumes. I openly wonder if it is worth it for people of African descent to remain in this country?

Almost 100 years ago Marcus Garvey asked this very question to a black America which was not ready to hear him. Mr. Garvey felt that racism in America was ingrained in the culture and that the country would never allow blacks as a whole to be prosperous. I think the strategical break down of Affirmative Action after only 20+ years is proof of this. These laws were created to counteract the effect that almost 300 years of slavery & 100 years of apartheid had on the social-economic status of African Americans. That politicians are willing to erase these laws after only 30 years (with the majority of African-Americans still poor, and under educated) of existance shows that America has no interest in improving the black condition. However, we as a people do not need to continue to depend on the "kindness" of whites. There is a solution to our problem: emmigration (moving to another country) .African Americans are one of the only groups in the world that refuse to emmigrate to other countries in order to improve their social-economic condition (hispanics are currently doing this by the millions, and europeans also did so by the millions in the 19th & 20th century). Why do we not do the same? Why not go back to Africa? the time is now.

If you are doing nothing here, then certainly Africa does not need you there. But if you are willing to bring your education, your desire to make Africa (the richest continent on the planet) the homeland for all Africans, your heart and soul, if you would make it home. Then come. Did you ever ask yourself why the countries of Africa are so unstable, why wars are never ending, do you know the facts about the Congo, South Africa, The Ivory Coast. Do you realize that there are more minerals on the continent of Africa that anywhere else. Do you know that the climate of Africa allows for the growth of almost any food, and the people are starving. Do you know who owns the diamond and gold mines in Africa. Do you think the land held by white slave masters should be returned to the rightful African owners. Do you have a love for Africa. Do you know how much foreign (US) aid is sent to the continent of Africa in comparision to the country of Israel. Did you see an airlift of civilians during apartheid to free the people from oppression. Do you know why Africa is not industrialized in 2003.
Do you know that Africa is considered so under control that the focus in on the Middle East. Did you know that the master plan is to give the whole middle east to Israel. These are African People.
Do you know that those who are masterminding the master plan
hope to meet somewhere in the middle of Africa with the conquering heroes behind them. If you are educated and want to
see Africa be all that, get together people and show some love.

BLESSED LOVE MY PEOPLE

I totally agree with every thing,GARVEY is talking about UNIVERSAL NEGRO IMPROVEMENT.
Improving our lives where ever we may be on the planet, as the white man where ever he cause "he is king" cause he worked(in weekedness) to be at this position.
But for us now we are KINGS AND QUEENS BY NATURE, BUT WE HAVE BEEN ROBED OF OUR TITLE, OUR HERITAGE, OUR LAND, OUR FATHERS,MATHERS,BROTHERS,SISTERS,HUSBANDS,WIVES AND CHILDREN
WE as a people have been scatered around the globe to day.
But trust me IF HE WASN'T BECAUSE OF GARVEY, AFRICA WOULD HAVE STILL BE DEPENDANT OF THE EUROPEANS IN THIS TIME, LIKE THEY WOULD HAVE NEVER TAKE THEIR INDEPENDANCE
It is when KWAME NKRUMA studied in europe and america, he met GARVEY and his mind changed completely that anablle him to come back to his country and change things there
GHANA ex GOLD COAST became independant( dont have the exact date), but what i know is that Africans of the diaspora leed the way to the liberation of AFRICA .(we still have a long way to go)
Like when FELA KUTI( revolutionary singer of NIGERIA ) MET THE BLACK PANTERS, HE CAME BACK IN HIS COUNTRY WITH AN OTHER VISION, HE WAS MORE RADICAL.
ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT WE OUT HERE, CAN MAKE THINGS CHANGE CAUSE WE ARE LIVING WITH THE ENNEMY, WE KNOW HIM, MORE THAN THOSE OUT THERE.
SO WE SHOULD START TO REFUSE CERTAINS THINGS LIKE:
- EATING THEIR FOOD ( PORC, MACDONALDS, BEEF, CHICKEN .........................)
- TRY TO LOOK LIKE THEM, BLEACH OUR SKIN, RELAX OUR HAIR,SHAVE OUR HAIR, WERE FALSE HAIR, FALSE NAILS AND SO ON
- WE SHOULD DRESS UP DESCENTELLY(IT'S NOT ABOUT FASHION OR BLABLABLA)
- TALK PROPELLY WITHOUT THE F***** THIS F**** THAT
- SHOW MORE LOVE AND RESPECT TO EACH OVER
- STOP PRAYING THEIR GOD JESUS THE WHITE MAN, AND PRAY NEGUS THE BLACK MAN, KING OF THE ISRAELITS
BROTHERS AND SISTERS IT IS ONLY US WHO CAN CHANGE OUR LIVES BY FAITH LOVE AND UNITY

MORE LOVE

Yes, I think we must start thinking about emigrating back to Africa. Of course, you will run into a lot of resistance from a large group of Africans in America for even bringing that thought up in conversation.

But, we also need to think beyond that. We need to think about nation building. As liviti has stated, why should we go back to our soil to do nothing but what we've done here? Hence, as I think RISUPNOW is saying, we have to develop a new philosophy...a new school of thought...a way of living that perpetuates the good in us and not the bad or negative. As Destee has said many times, we must focus on the group, but think about improving self...and it starts with LOVE; another point RISUPNOW mentioned.

Before we set foot on our soil, we must have a plan of action which includes every facet of our society...where no one goes unthought of. This plan of action should stem from a vision so clear...a dream so vivid that no African--no matter where she or he may be--can resist its calling. And this can be, if this vision has as its foundation firmly planted in the will of OUR GOD...the CREATOR.

I believe in our people.

I know we can do it.

Monetary,

Black People will be moving back to Africa. The Bible says that. Most people do not know that the Bible teaches the same thing about the Egyptians and Ethiopians that it teaches about the Jews.

1. Egyptians and Ethiopians would be taken out of their land as slaves and sent to all countries in the world.

2. Egyptians and Ethiopians will one day be brought back into their land by God.

3. Egyptians [by extension the Ethiopians also, the same way that we know that House of Judah and House of Israel also go together in the Bible, even when one is not mentioned] are the only other Ethnic group in the Bible also called "My People".

It is only racism and the fact that this interferes with their bible theology that says "the Egyptians are always bad", that NO bible teachers focus on the fact that the Egyptian storyline in the Bible follows the same story line as the Jews.

According to that story line. Black People around the world MUST be returned to their lands.

Money,

I do not agree that Black People must some how "qualify" to go back to Africa. Most Black People who are thought of lowly here would be highly prized in Africa.

African Americans think differently than Continental Africans. I have talked to Continental Africans about this.

For instance when an African American has his car break down, he immeadiately gets out and inspects stuff under the hood and tries to get it running again. Most of my CA friends immeadiately call the tow truck and insist that a car mechanic fix it.

When an African American lives in a house with no electricity, they will usually, go outside and break the electric company's box and turn the electricity back on themselves. A CA would think that was so dangerous.

Or I know African Americans here who is an old convict but they can tear apart a car and rebuild it from scratch.

I know an African American man, who is a trained boxer and a poet and lives in a homeless shelter for men, that also walks through the Ghetto, getting young black kids to come to a boxing class, where he believes that the tough training he teaches them and the other things, prepares them to be disciplined and to dream.

These self-motivated, convict and homeless Black Americans might be considered nothing here in America.

But in Africa a man who can fix a car, deal with electrical wiring, and independently Organize a group to teach young people may have some value.

There are many talented Black People in America who are too sane and intelligent, to subject their psyche to the pressure of larger America.

I know one young Black man with talent beyond talent. He refuses to go to college because "he is scared of ghosts". In otherwords he would have to leave his Ghetto and go amongst "ghosts" [whites] and live and think and breathe and he just is not willing to do that. Not for what America calls success.

We must not forget that in America we do have the strange phenomenom [understandable to us in the know] of African Americans with college degrees who are on welfare.

There has even been a book written about this phenomenom. Shelby, a black author who really hates the "struggle" of Black Americans. Writes that all of his Black colleagues who are not using their college degrees and PHD's to excel in the white academic community make him so mad. He said that while these Blacks claim that it is not worth it and so they accept a lesser posistion and move back into the Ghetto, he felt that these Blacks were just not ambitious enough.

One of my closest friends back where I am from smokes crack, she had her babies begining at 14 years old and can not read nor write that well. Yet all four of her children graduated from highschool. She keeps a spotless house. She irons her T-shirts and curatins for heavens sake! She is loved by many people, drug dealers go and give her money all the time. Because she is more than someone who smokes crack to them, she is just a really good person.

I have seen her take in a family of 6 and let them live with her for free, in her 2 bedroom apartment [all but one of her kids is gone to their own place].

She is far more kind and loving and clean and a way better parent, friend and sister. Than I am.

Yet because she smokes crack and can not read and write that well. I would be let into Africa long before her with my college education.

I hope the first attitude that I throw away when I get back home, is the one that stereotypes some people as worthless because they did not go to college, etc, etc.

Our little 34 million African Americans are not going to hurt Africa in any way.

We seem to forget, Africa is our home. You should not need permission or need to qualify to go home. That is the one place that you should be accepted warts and all.

Smile.

I take your two last posts as an agreement to what I had said...and actually, you expounded upon it. Kool. :D

Question, when you say "go home to Africa", describe exactly what you mean. There are over 50 countries in Africa, different cultures, politics, etc. Where exactly are we going?

Crunchy I understand what you're saying but still, I have to agree with Money and Liviti too, I think African Americans will need to undergo some sort of aggressive "detox" or whatever they call it when you've been in a cult and have to go through some type of debriefing session to change your mind-set, before they cross the Atlantic and attempt to call Africa "home." Some may be ready because they've prepared their minds and attitude but I would venture to say that a great majority of African Americans aren't there yet.

Also, why can't African Americans think and behave like an African living in America? Maybe Africa can then colonize America. Just a thought!

Money,

Absolutely. I do agree with you in full. I love this verse: I am resting securely from adversity, while the Lord digs a pit for the wicked. In otherwords, I do what I can personally and wait for the Lord to bring His plan to the forefront.

Queen,

Instead of thinking of the 50 countries as a problem, which must be decided on, maybe we can think of the 50 countries as an oppourtunity? We would sorta of be like we were after slavery. Many slaves would just walk from town, to town and from state to state, until they found some place that they wanted to call home. We can go anywhere. And with 50 countries to choose from.................I do not really expect anybody to be complaining that they have not found some place that they would like to be.

I think that God has provided an agressive detox for African Americans. You will either be aggressively detoxed by the break down of the infrastructure here in America, or you will be aggressively detoxed by Africa herself. It will not be easy the leaving or the staying. I nor Money, I believe are talking about one day African Americans will get up and decide that it is time to go. I at least am under the impression that this will be a time when "African Americans" are forced to choose between staying here and being killed or going back to Africa. That situtation will be the detox.

America as we know it will not be here. Smile. Nothing to colonize.

There is a rumor among the villagers, that a long time ago, people left our villages and one day they will return as Supermen.
_____Patrice Lumumba [deceased President of the Congo]

Crunchy, when I asked the question about the 50+ countries in Africa, I didn't mean to imply that I considered that a problem. I was simply seeking more information about what people were writing about.

In reference to your detox comment, are you saying that this massive migration by African Americans to Africa will be a forced decision and not purely voluntary on their parts?

In reference to you comment about America no longer being as we know it; nothing to colonize...do you mean it will be completely destroyed? Forgive me if my questions seem naive.

Pan-Africa,

You have said something very interesting. You wrote:

After the Civil War slavery was declared illegal (13th amendment), blacks were granted citizenship in the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which was reinforced along with voting rights in (14th & 15th amendments). The Civil Rights Act of 1873 made racial discrimination in public places illegal. For a very brief period blacks in America used their new found freedom to vote, run for political offices (many of the 1st black congressmen like Hiram Revels came from this period), and to educate themselves (the 1st Black Colleges were built during this time). This golden age started to crumble in the late 1880's when a white backlash arose to criticize black advancement at the expense of whites.


You also said:

Events of the past 20 years seems so similar to those of 100 years past that it isn't even funny.


Here is my point, to add to what you have said:

The next thing that happenned in America after reconstruction and the golden years after slavery was whites began GOING TO WAR against Black Americans.

The begining of the 1900's to about 1920 were the FIRST YEARS that the LYNCHING of BLACKS outnumbered the lynching of whites.

Whites would also attack black towns, black soldiers, black churches were burned down. Terrible laws were enacted or enforced to harm Black People.

Blacks in BLACK TOWNS would have to watch daily to make sure they were off the streets by a certain time because whites would come nightly to attack any blacks caught outside.

All the gains we had made were erased. We barely had our freedom and that only technically.

Hmmmm..........Will all of history repeat itself or just part of it? Interesting also that the book Backlash about the women's rights movement also found a similar pattern of "one step forward, two steps back".

Queen,

Purely coincidently. My post to Pan-Africa kind of answers your questions about whether it will be voluntarily or not. However:


1. Okay. Some people ask about the 50 countries as if having choice is a bad thing suddenly when it comes to Africa and African Americans returning there, everywhere else choice is a good thing. Smile.

2. I do not think it will be voluntarily for many African Americans. [see post above to Pan-Africa]

3. Yes, America will be completely destroyed. According to the Bible and Conventional Wisdom.

Wow! This post has been around for a long time without any responses, now suddenly it is buzzing with movement. In fact it has been sitting for so long without a response, that I actually forgot about it. I had to re-read what I originally said in order to respond intelligiently to what everyone wrote.......lol!

Now please be aware that when I talk about emmigration I am not just speaking of Africa (which would be an ideal location). I am talking about Europe, Asia, Canada, anyplace where new opportunities exist for black people (African Americans in particular). And I strongly believe that there are opportunities for us in other countries.

To respond to Crunchy's comment. You are right in your observation that whites resorted to terrorist tactics (KKK the original terrorist organization before Osama's grandmother was a twinkle in her great-grandmother's eye) against blacks after the civil war. The Ku Klux Klan's attacks to prevent blacks from voting and exercising their civil rights played a bigger role than pole taxes, grandfather clauses, and literacy test combined. Therefore, we definately need to be watchful in these coming days.

By the way the original Women's Rights Movement in the 1850s was borne out of the Abolitionist Movement (Frederick Douglass was a signer of the Declaration of Sentiments, which was the female declaration of independents); and the Women's Rights Movement of the 1960s came out of the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s. So you would see similarities.

This is something that I wrote regarding my thoughts on "Repatriation" (returning to your land of origin)...

While I was thinking about how much contempt I have for amerikkka, it occured to me that maybe I should talk about my views on repatriation. Sometimes you see or hear racists tell an African (who is unconscious that they are an African and live in amerikkka) who is addressing any contradictions in amerikkka, "Well why dont you just go back to Africa, then?" When I was an unconscious African, that was like my greatest fear. So now when I hear a racist make that statement, I laugh when I see the awkward look pop up on the Africans face. Sometimes their rebutal arguments for staying in amerikkka reveals the level of their own "self-hatred" (unintentionally). But basically, I laugh because I know where they are (because I was there). People have these subliminal images of Africa...that Africa is ONLY a Jungle. That the people in Africa live in the trees or in a mud hut and that EVERYBODY is starving. That EVERYBODY in Africa has aids or malaria and etc. I know the United Snakkkes propaganda machine well. I know that in the back of MANY people's minds is "THAT" image. You know, that image of that little bloated dirty baby with flies all over his face. I know that Africa isnt heaven, but it **** sure isnt the hell they portray it to be either. Africa is a poverty stricken nation (not a "poor" nation...Africa is WEALTHY in natural resources) but it has areas that are economically strong.

I think repatriation is a beautiful idea. I would like to travel around Africa for awhile. I have never been back home yet. I dont know what part I would like to stay in but I am leaning heavily toward Tanzania due to the influence of my Swahili teacher (by theb way, where would you all live?). At first I was leaning heavily towards Libya because it is the only "revolutionary" state in Africa. Regardless of where I live in Africa, I would try to travel all over Africa constantly. In amerikkka, Africans are a minority. About 13% of the population. I often think about how I would feel being in a country that is a majority African! I think about the culture, the foods, the music, the cities, the bush (jungle areas) and the people. I think about the night life (in case you didn't know, Africans have clubs and bars and all that stuff too) and what I would do for fun. What I would do for employment. I think about all kinds of off beat stuff...stuff like what it would be like to go to the market in Africa, or what it would be like to be walking down the street drinking a soda in Africa (well...I used to think this, but i heard it is impolite to eat or drink in public in Africa) or what it would be like just sitting at home watching the news in Africa, LOL!

I have not repatriated for just a few reasons. I am in school at the moment. If I go back to Africa, I would like to take some of the skills I aquire here and utilize them toward Africa's development. I also havent left because I dont want to fool myself into thinking repatriation is the solution to my problems with amerikkka. The imperialists have got Africa in a Neo-Colonial choke hold, whether I live in Africa or amerikkka. Also (and probably the most important reason why), I haven't left yet because in order for amerikkka to wear the "mask" of democracy, she gives her citizens a degree of "free speech" that many countries do not have. There are things I can say in amerikkka that Africans cannot say in Africa without taking some serious risks. It is because my comrades back home cannot say what they need to say, I stay in amerikkka and say it for them. I dont just say it, I YELL it. I SCREAM it. I SCREAM it so loud, I want my comrades back home in Africa to hear me YELLING it all the way from amerikkka! (Just like Bob Marely made the whole world listen to Africa, while being in Jamaica) I want the WHOLE WORLD to hear what Africa got to say.

Besides that, I am always dreaming of my home. My homeland. My motherland. Africa. It is my dream to "go back to Africa"...to leave this country and to never ever return again. Hopefully, one day, this dream will come true.

I would choose Botswana. It only has 1.5 million citizens and seems to be a place where a few of our people could settle without there being a lot of conflict about African Americans "taking stuff" from the locals. As has been the conflict where large amounts of African Americans have settled already [Ghana, South Africa and even from old times Liberia and Sierra Leone].

Pan Africa, Thank you.

Great post Rebel Africa.

rebelafrika--I agree with Crunchy, great post! I think you're right that Africans in America do have a negative image of their native homeland. Those images have been crafted by whites and designed to keep us in the dark and away from the truth while they continue to rape and pilage Africa's abundance of natural resources. After all, why would I get angry or upset if I didn't know the value of what is being taken and left destroyed? The urbanized Black could care less about a bunch of weeds, jungles, wild animals and uneducated people living in mud huts with cattle and chickens grazing in their front yards--right?

Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote the story about "Tarzan"...that story has been around for many years sending the message to viewers and readers that Africa is a savage, uncivilized, dangerous place where monkeys get treated better and get more respect than Blacks. When Disney took that old storyline and re-created it in animation form recently, how many of us allowed our young Black babies to look at that, soaking that image up into their precious minds? "The Lion King," "Jungle Book,"--cute stories to some BUT...this is how white America chooses to portray an Africa far, far different than those of us here know to be the truth! Blacks are either invisible in their homeland OR they are savages.

I know these "save the children" Christian organizations think they are helping but how many times do you turn your tv on and watch "do good" White people advertising (exploiting?) the pathetic faces of Black babies starving and filthy, dressed in rags with flies landing on them? It makes me want to scream! We watch that, our brains soak it up and our opinions have become influenced. White people always helping out the savages who can't help themselves.

I don't have a clue as to where I'd like to live in Africa. There's so much to choose from and I think it's fun trying to decide.

NNQueen, did you know that Edgar Rice Burrows created Tarzan for the purpose of countering the Garvey movement?

No rebel...I didn't know that. Tell me more, please!

Well, I learned this in a Pan-African art class I was taking at my school. At the height of the Garvey Movement, there were six million Garveyites. This was the largest known organization of Africans in the world and we haven't had one as powerful ever since. The story of Tarzan came out during the height of the Garvey Movement. My professor said that Tarzan and it's anti-African imagery (some of which you have already document for us) was created for the purpose of weakening the Garvey Movement. Sort of like a "Cointel-pro" precursor.

On the subject of Africa and its different countries, I have found the following links to provide a basic, yet good geography lesson about them, their language, population, economy, politics, religion, climate, natural resources, etc. They were a good place for me to start doing research about where I might want to live if I moved to Africa. I'm still undecided but, for now, I find the southern region to be more to my liking. Crunchy, Botswana looks interesting. Namibia appears to have a serious problem with HIV/AIDS pandemic. Do others have sites they recommend or do you know where you would want to live?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/country_profiles/1068674.stm

http://www.africaonline.com/site/na/

I love what you all have said about our motherland. I just met a sister who is building a house in Gambia. I hope to go back with her to see it.

It is a marvelous thing. I too would love to leave amerikkka or at least have a second home in Afraka.

I agree that we should bring some skill to Afraka. Afraka needs our skills.

My neice lived in Sierra Leone and Ivory Coast for 2 years. she did not want to come back.

Slowly but surely we are becoming educated about our Motherland, what we have to offer it and what she can offer us.

Let us build a bridge to Afraka.

Good post, pdiane...Glad to have you with us to share your positive messages.

Peace :heart:

Good post Sis. Ademidemeji!

Baba Ahmed, thank you for this powerful and enlightening message. It is so full of information...causing me to look deeper within my self and to others with this knowledge. There is much to do to deprogramme and reprogram our minds as we set our sights across the Atlantic toward home. As I reflect on what you wrote Baba, it moves my spirit. I will check out the link you posted and let you know what I think.

Peace :heart:

Baba...I checked out the link...The House of Jewels...and I think it's a wonderful website. I have added it to my Favorites list. There's lots of good information here and what an impressive vitae Dr. Pookrum has. Thank you for sharing this! I'd like to know what others who visit the site also think! :)

Aaahh...My sister, Ademidemeji...I was not able to get to the Brother Junious' program yesterday but am anxious to know how it went! I look forward to feedback because Brother Junious is one of our most enlightened and dynamic voices today.

Peace sister!

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First I must say that I am truly inspired by all of the responses that have been posted.
As a sistah who is just comming into a level of conscioiusness I often feel overwhelmed with issues that concearn our people, one of the most complicated being the ideal location for Africans in America.
Opening my eyes to the hidden truths of our people has shown me that we have an undeniable connection to mother Africa. One that cannot be ignored and must be embraced.
Yet, some of my anxieties regarding returning to Africa involve a fear of the unknown. I know that Africa is not the place that the media portrays it to be. My confusion has more to deal with myself. Here I am, a confused African, misguided and brainwashed by an American government. There are so many things that I'm still learning about myself as an African in America and finding my place as an Afrcan in Africa is an intimidating task. It requires a lot of thought, self cleansing, and rebuilding. Something I think many Africans, including some of the colonized Continental Africans, aren't ready to do yet.
Also, despite the fact that America has never embraced me, I feel entitled to a peice of it. This country was built on the backs of our people. Our struggle gave birth to, and now sustains this country and I feel that (along with our Indigenous Brothas and Sistahs) we deserve our just due. I'm not suggesting that we should wait for it to be handed to us but that we have an obligation to take it.
I am in agreement with NNQueen's suggestion of living as an AFRICAN while in America, and with the idea that African culture must be lived, not learned. And I maintain that some people aren't even ready for mental migration, let alone a physical one. Those who are should continue to share their revalations with those who aren't. Spreading knowledge and consciousness is the only way to improve the mental and physical condition of Afrcans throughout the entire diaspora.

Alesha...Greetings Sister!! Thank you for the eloquent opinion you have expressed. I agree with you and can also relate to what you describe about being in a new state of consciousness as it relates to thinking, living and being African in America. It's empowering but also slightly intimidating due to the effects of our Americanization. But it also commands a type of strength and courage that we've never experienced before. For me it's as though I've been reborn once I discovered and embraced my real identity. Where I once felt fragmented, I now feel whole; where I lacked direction, I now know my purpose. A fusion of our mind, body and spirit happens when we become African and no longer a people defining ourselves with a hyphen. No matter where we are, we're Africans. So it really doesn't matter whether we actually return to the land of our ancestors. Although the body of us as a nation may not be together, as long as the mind and spirit of us remains together, the impact of our existence will be felt and recognized around the world.

Peace Sister Alesha. I hope you enjoy your time with us and I look forward to more enlightening messages from you!

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You know the historians called it the back to Africa movement, not Garvey.

Repatriation was ONE part of his politics. Just one part. He did a whole lotta work here before he ever made plans to go back to Africa.

NNQueen,

Thank you for the warm welcome.

Peace.

After going back to Africa(Nigeria) 28 years ago I can testify that the Black man/woman will never be satisfied unless he/she goes home! I raised 4 of my 5 children here to be culturally Yorubas and I have never been so happy in my life.
First you must choose what tribe you like cause you can't be happy in Africa unless you identify with an ethnic group. So study all the groups, pray about it and come up with the one you like the culture. Then seek out those in amerikkka and tell them that you want to go home. They will embrace you and put you thru. I went to a Nigerian reception, met the Counselor General-told him I want to live in Nigeria and he did the rest! Got a contract job since I have a degree and was wiling to teach,but you can go thru your new African family members you have adopted!
Work towards it,pray towards it and it will be possible!
I'm ready to advise any body who wants to come!

Your Sister,
Yeye
yeyeolade@yahoo.com

Yes, it is. There needs to be a media campaign of some sort to get Black Americans to see stories of people who have made that transition.

However, in my own opinion I do not believe actual relocation is necessary, (though I support the idea). Many will identify with the U.S. because they were born here and grew up here... so it's not unreasonable to think some will want to stay. I think of those who do stay, economic infrastructures need to be established to help build wealth among both communities. Of those who go, measures will need to be taken to make sure they are properly culturally assimilated to the country.

millions of people going back to africa... ? what would be the ramifications of such actions... the culture shock would be disasterous... how many of us have even been to africa... the quality of living, from what i've seen, greatly differs from america.. and then some would ask what the quality of life is... we are black.. true... some call themselves africans even though their family hasn't lived in africa for generations and have been so amercanized that that is questionable.. and africans would probably disagree... at least that is what i have seen... we are black... however like i ssaid... we are americans... if we denounce that part of our heritage and go to africa then.. would africa then be 'americanized'?????? just a question....

black americans can call themselves africans all they want however if you were raised on US soil by black american parents then you have american views/ideals that directly effected who you became or who you are becoming... it allowed you to have these same ideals that make you want to go back to africa... how long would africa stay 'pure' and/or how 'pure' would it be with millions of black americans coming to live there?

millions of people going back to africa... ? what would be the ramifications of such actions... the culture shock would be disasterous... how many of us have even been to africa... the quality of living, from what i've seen, greatly differs from america.. and then some would ask what the quality of life is... we are black.. true... some call themselves africans even though their family hasn't lived in africa for generations and have been so amercanized that that is questionable.. and africans would probably disagree... at least that is what i have seen... we are black... however like i ssaid... we are americans... if we denounce that part of our heritage and go to africa then.. would africa then be 'americanized'?????? just a question....

black americans can call themselves africans all they want however if you were raised on US soil by black american parents then you have american views/ideals that directly effected who you became or who you are becoming... it allowed you to have these same ideals that make you want to go back to africa... how long would africa stay 'pure' and/or how 'pure' would it be with millions of black americans coming to live there?beautiful.

First and Foremost Afraka is a huge continent, with 53 countries. There behoves us to see "Panther in Africa" and talk to Afrakans from the diaspora who live in and frequently visit Afraka. It is not disasterous, it is not a cultural shock. On the other hand it is one of the most beautiful experiences that we as a people of Afrakan descent will ever encounter in our lives.

In my humble opinion, we must dispel the notion that Afraka is not meant for us to live in, raise our children in, do business in. It is a place of peace, rich rich culture, spirituality, and love.

Not everyone is meant to live an Afraka. However, it is for the ones of us who are sick and tired of being sick and tired of white male domination.

There are countries, pockets, and enclaves in Afraka, that one can just enjoy and have what they have here in amerikkka without the racism, the stress, and the fear factor. A place where our children can freely come and go without worry.

Adopting an ethnic groups language and culture is possible in Afraka. The similararities of our culture, our spirituality will help us to easily fit in Afraka and learn from one another.

The key is that there is a choice that we as Afrakans from the diaspora need to have. Europeans go to Afraka and fit in and adapt. Who are we to say we can't when our Ancestors not only are from there, but our similar cultures cannot be denied.

Not quite sure what is meant by pure, however, when we go to Afraka we have to change our white male domination attitudes. Truth of the matter is we have enslaved minds, willie lynch attitudes toward one another, which boils down to self-hate. We have been educated in white supremace schools. Our parents unknowingly fed us to the wolves of white racism all of our childhood lives. All the more reason to go to Afraka and learn our culture, afrakan languages and original spiritural systems. We can come back here and teach our parents.

As a frequent visitor to Afraka, who intends to live there soon. I hope that I have shed some light to your questions about Afrakans from the diaspora living in and traveling to Afraka. Not only is it possible, but we are doing it by the hundreds.

As it was in the Beginning, so shall it be in the end !!!

Going back to Africa is one thing, comparing it to Hispanics coming to America is far different. I worked for US Immigration for almost twenty years before it became a part of Homeland Security. The United States has a very liberal policy on Immigration, it basically say's that the number of immigrants allowed into the country under the quota system will be equal to the number of immigrants allowed into all other countries combined. There is also the family basis for immigration, which allows immigrants to eventually bring in certain eligible family members. US citizens can bring in their foreign spouses, without limitation. There are also employee based quotas, which allow employers to bring in qualified candidates for work. Many of them also eventually become citizens. In other words, opportunities to come to the United States, far outnumber those of other countries including Africa. African countries also have limits on who and how many they will allow to come there. Usually they are looking for investors and well educated people. Not just black people who think they have the right to go there.

When one considers the present state of black America, especially as it pertains to the black male, what advantage would it be to an African country to allow in, a person who can't thrive in the so-called "land of opportunity"?

The article mentioned that hispanics are locating to a more properous place, as a reason for coming here, and ask the question, why don't black people go to Africa for the same reason? The answer is simple, Africa is not more prosperous. Those blacks in the United States need to learn how aliens come here and prosper. They are right there in your nieghborhood taking away your opportunities, because your have forfeited them. They should be yours by all rights and common sense. Also, blacks who live in areas where there is high unemployment, should do as the hispanics do, move to a more prosperous area of the country, no one is going to bring the job to you. Black skinned people from Jamaica, Haiti, Cuba, Bermuda and all of Africa come here and are almost never unemployed. Let's get real folks, stop making excuses and trying to escape to dreamland. Africa doesn't really want you, unless you are bringing your own lunch.

this question of going to live in africa is an individual question that one would have to decide for one's self,i mean let's be serious here as much as some of us claim to love[jesse-min.farrakan-al sharpton]if all three were to organise a back to africa rally and all each of us has to do is give up all your funds towards helping with the cost of the trip and the relocation,how many of us would actually go beyond thinking about it?i'll tell you how many..NOT MANY,there will be no GRAND PLAN black people and i find it amusing that whenever a group of us get to talking the subject of BACK TO AFRICA always comes up,listen yall the closest that most of us here[yes here on this forum]will get to africa is going down to the natural herb shop in the mall and buyin some kinte cloth,we're STILL lookin for the land of milk and honey...i hope you find it,and remember that HAVING IS NOT ALWAYS A PLEASANT A THING AS WANTING.

True that, no body wants you if you are not bringing your own lunch. Heck your momma and daddy don't want you if you are a grown a-- man and not bringing your own lunch. The botttomline in Africa as in our own communities is bringing something to the table. Being part of the solution. God knows many of us have education and skills to be part of the solution for Afraka.

I notice in this forum that the word Afraka turns a lot of us off. It shows in what we say and how we say it and it is truly sad. It displays how brainwashed we are about this Continent, how media literacy has affected the way we even think about our Motherland. It is just what white folks want us to feel about Afraka proving that they have done their job.:welldone:

Ain't nobody telling us to live in Afraka, I have had our people not even want to visit. Well, stay here in amerikkka, keep trying to get these white folks to do right by you, while open minded Afrakans sit in their beautiful homes, on beach, chilling, looking over the Atlantic saying " you ain't gotta stay there Black folks". When you get sick of your micro-waves, your cell phones, your cable, the mis-education of your children, the killings, the racism, and discrimination, comon home for a retreat, a haitus, a simple life, a respite, in one of those peaceful countries in Afraka!!!!

True that, no body wants you if you are not bringing your own lunch. Heck your momma and daddy don't want you if you are a grown a-- man and not bringing your own lunch. The botttomline in Africa as in our own communities is bringing something to the table. Being part of the solution. God knows many of us have education and skills to be part of the solution for Afraka.

I notice in this forum that the word Afraka turns a lot of us off. It shows in what we say and how we say it and it is truly sad. It displays how brainwashed we are about this Continent, how media literacy has affected the way we even think about our Motherland. It is just what white folks want us to feel about Afraka proving that they have done their job.:welldone:

Ain't nobody telling us to live in Afraka, I have had our people not even want to visit. Well, stay here in amerikkka, keep trying to get these white folks to do right by you, while open minded Afrakans sit in their beautiful homes, on beach, chilling, looking over the Atlantic saying " you ain't gotta stay there Black folks". When you get sick of your micro-waves, your cell phones, your cable, the mis-education of your children, the killings, the racism, and discrimination, comon home for a retreat, a haitus, a simple life, a respite, in one of those peaceful countries in Afraka!!!!

Beautiful post sister!

This is the base of one of the most controversial topics to date african americans and there return home. I think that like most of the ethnic people on this planet the first ones, we have a hard time figuring out where exactly home is or was. I think that all cultured people (those with melanin )can lay claim to one part of the world or another. It is well documented in that the "beginning" earths crust was one big piece which is why it fits back together like a jig saw puzzle.There had to be nubains across the entire surface of the crust which is why u can find nubain heritage all over the world. U have blond hair blue eyed individuals calming african as there heritage(south african) .. If we do not have a since of home in our hearts it does not matter what our location is. I DONOT believe that this will cause all of our socal ills as nubains to go away if we move.Those of us in the know have a responsibilty given to us by mother neter to make (home )throughout the world not just an address but a state of being. We must relocate ourselves with the inner spark the divine intelligence given to us by mother neter or we will be doomed no mAtter where we reside. Remember there was chaos at (home) and seperation at home that's how we turned on each other in the first place. We must remember Africa means to seperate . We are now in the sun cycle we will have to use more of our minds than our physical bodies molecules will be moving faster because of ra or the sun rays. We called ourselves in kemet Ta Ma reans which means we are products of the the earth ta the water ma or mu and the sun RE . Home is on the planet earth not a distinct location of it there are melanites and nine ether beings(nappy hair) or etheropians all over the world. The ta ma hu earth-water-and hu or the caucassian or deteriating asian will not be able to function using his mind during this time in light of his attraction to the physical. WE must prepare as many of our children as we can for the sun cycle.

millions of people going back to africa... ? what would be the ramifications of such actions... the culture shock would be disasterous... how many of us have even been to africa... the quality of living, from what i've seen, greatly differs from america.. and then some would ask what the quality of life is... we are black.. true... some call themselves africans even though their family hasn't lived in africa for generations and have been so amercanized that that is questionable.. and africans would probably disagree... at least that is what i have seen... we are black... however like i ssaid... we are americans... if we denounce that part of our heritage and go to africa then.. would africa then be 'americanized'?????? just a question....

black americans can call themselves africans all they want however if you were raised on US soil by black american parents then you have american views/ideals that directly effected who you became or who you are becoming... it allowed you to have these same ideals that make you want to go back to africa... how long would africa stay 'pure' and/or how 'pure' would it be with millions of black americans coming to live there?


so are Asian Americans Asian or Yellow??

I heard an Afrikan guy said, "don't call me black I am Zambian". That was before he married that white chic LOL.

the word Afrikan comes from white any how so I have no problem being called black. I have no problem with Afrikan either, our (black folk) culture here in Amerikkka is similar to Afrikan culture, verry similar.

AGAIN I ASK WHY DO BLACK FOLK ALWAYS WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT WHAT TO CALL THEM SELVES. I MEAN WHY DONT DONT I HEAR ITALIAN AMERIKKKANS , OR IRISH , OR ASIAN AMERIKKKANS TRYING TO SEPERATE THE SELVES FROM THEIR HOME LAND?????? EVEN IF THEY ARE TEN GENERATIONS DEEP, ITALIANS AND SO FORTH ARE ALWAYS PROUD OF THEIR HERITAGE.WHY DO WE SHOW SUCH HATRED WHEN WE ARE REFERRED TO AS AFRIKAN?

so are Asian Americans Asian or Yellow??

I heard an Afrikan guy said, "don't call me black I am Zambian". That was before he married that white chic LOL.

the word Afrikan comes from white any how so I have no problem being called black. I have no problem with Afrikan either, our (black folk) culture here in Amerikkka is similar to Afrikan culture, verry similar.

AGAIN I ASK WHY DO BLACK FOLK ALWAYS WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT WHAT TO CALL THEM SELVES. I MEAN WHY DONT DONT I HEAR ITALIAN AMERIKKKANS , OR IRISH , OR ASIAN AMERIKKKANS TRYING TO SEPERATE THE SELVES FROM THEIR HOME LAND?????? EVEN IF THEY ARE TEN GENERATIONS DEEP, ITALIANS AND SO FORTH ARE ALWAYS PROUD OF THEIR HERITAGE.WHY DO WE SHOW SUCH HATRED WHEN WE ARE REFERRED TO AS AFRIKAN?our problem is not so much what we call ourselves,but do you hear any of the other folks that you mentioned talk about goin back to wherever,nope only us and i've talked to people from alot of different countries and NOT ONE person ever said that he or she wanted to go back including MOST AFRICANS that i've spoken with,but you get a bunch of us togetther and it's BACK TO AFRICA we go.

do you hear any of the other folks that you mentioned talk about goin back to wherever,nope only us

Why do you compare us to other people? Their experience is not ours, far from it.

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Destee

Why do you compare us to other people? Their experience is not ours, far from it.

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Desteeok,answer me this,is going HOME gonna change who we are as a people? how we relate to one another? how we treat our families?will most of us be better people for having returned to the MOTHERLAND in say one year then we are now?will we lose this pattern of self hatred that is in us when we settle into our homeland?NO it will not because change comes from the heart not a new locale,you take the bloods and the crips to africa and they start thinkin about markin a new territory,you take a con man to africa he starts workin on a new con,you can argue that we will be better off til the cows come home,but the REALITY is most people are who they are and until a person look at themselves and make that change it ain't gonna happen whether it's africa or the moon,i'll be waiting for your response because i know you'll have one.

ok,answer me this,is going HOME gonna change who we are as a people? how we relate to one another? how we treat our families?will most of us be better people for having returned to the MOTHERLAND in say one year then we are now?will we lose this pattern of self hatred that is in us when we settle into our homeland?NO it will not because change comes from the heart not a new locale,you take the bloods and the crips to africa and they start thinkin about markin a new territory,you take a con man to africa he starts workin on a new con,you can argue that we will be better off til the cows come home,but the REALITY is most people are who they are and until a person look at themselves and make that change it ain't gonna happen whether it's africa or the moon,i'll be waiting for your response because i know you'll have one.

You ask me all these questions, and then answer them yourself, yet don't answer my one?

There you have it, my response.

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Destee

You ask me all these questions, and then answer them yourself, yet don't answer my one?

There you have it, my response.

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Desteeyou're absolutley right,bad habit on my part,ok everyone knows that we are the only people brought here in chains which will always set us apart from all others who came here,now having said that as we look at some history of other cultures[the chinese-irish,ect.]some of those folks were in conditions where survival was a day to day thing,and yes we can say that they had a choice to come here whereas we didn't,and yes slavery will always be the blight on america,not everyone who came to ellis island came well off alot of folks had a choice of starving to death or escaping,so what i'm saying is that although alot of those folks still live poor after generations the same as us,they would rather stay here and deal with it than go back,even though some change may have occured for the better in thier lands,whereas we seem to be saying that no matter what we want out,we cannot change the past 400 yrs no matter how much we may wish to,you see the difference is that today we as blacks CAN control our destiny,but we HAVE to STOP BEING THE VICTIM,curtis once said that this is MY COUNTRY and he is right.

ok,answer me this,is going HOME gonna change who we are as a people? how we relate to one another? how we treat our families?will most of us be better people for having returned to the MOTHERLAND in say one year then we are now?will we lose this pattern of self hatred that is in us when we settle into our homeland?NO it will not because change comes from the heart not a new locale,you take the bloods and the crips to africa and they start thinkin about markin a new territory,you take a con man to africa he starts workin on a new con,you can argue that we will be better off til the cows come home,but the REALITY is most people are who they are and until a person look at themselves and make that change it ain't gonna happen whether it's africa or the moon,i'll be waiting for your response because i know you'll have one.

Yes, its going to change who we are able to BECOME as a people. When I was in school in Atlanta it was like living in a llittle utopia...weeks without seeing a white person. I watched hardly any TV, and it was always a sad wake up call going home for the holidays.

The level of daily stress and tension that many black people walk around with in America affects who we are and in my opinion limits our potential.

If we established our own black nation, with quality leadership sans the puppet strings to western corporations, we live each day knowing our government exists for the protection for our families, we control the media images that get fed to our children, we don't allow destructive drugs to flood our community, we don't create policies designed to remove men from families and bastardize generations of children, we don't teach any version of history other than that which embraces truth and nourishes OUR souls.

The brilliant energy, loyalty, ingenius creativity and valor that you see mis-directed in gangs of our young people would be re-directed towards building a nation.

Despite what white supremacy would have us believe, we are not cons and thugs by nature.

Yes, its going to change who we are able to BECOME as a people. When I was in school in Atlanta it was like living in a llittle utopia...weeks without seeing a white person. I watched hardly any TV, and it was always a sad wake up call going home for the holidays.

The level of daily stress and tension that many black people walk around with in America affects who we are and in my opinion limits our potential.

If we established our own black nation, with quality leadership sans the puppet strings to western corporations, we live each day knowing our government exists for the protection for our families, we control the media images that get fed to our children, we don't allow destructive drugs to flood our community, we don't create policies designed to remove men from families and bastardize generations of children, we don't teach any version of history other than that which embraces truth and nourishes OUR souls.

The brilliant energy, loyalty, ingenius creativity and valor that you see mis-directed in gangs of our young people would be re-directed towards building a nation.

Despite what white supremacy would have us believe, we are not cons and thugs by nature.


:terrific: Excellent analysis!!

Dig a la! as they say in Wolof in Senegal. I hear you!. Can you dig it! Oldiesman, Afraka changes you, bottomline. Have you been there yet? You will not be the same when you go. You will expereince peace, love for elders, sharing, caring, family, community, history and culture in the midst of poverty. Sometimes crime, but usually not.

It makes one want to bring all of our youth there to see the respect for the elders and family. Total respect. You will experience creativity in every facet of life there. Now, it is not easy there. It can be hot, the misquitos will eat you alive, and can be dry, it can be hard, but all that makes you a better person. Black people all around you, in positions of power. Entreprenuership to the nth degree from children to adults. Black men sewing, cooking, making jewelry, and shoes, women doing the same. What a beautiful sight. Walking in the middle of the night anywhere without fear. No drive bys, no guns. Singing and dancing constantly everywhere. Praying, deep deep spirituality. Elegant women, proud proud men.

Love for us Afrakan amerikkkan's culture. Love of James Brown, Bob Marley, rappers, everything we've created here in amerikkka. Looking to us for acceptance and skills to help them to develop. Rather deal with us than white folks. Looking to us., our Afrakan diasporan creativity, our beautiful culture, our intelligence, our knowledge, wisdom and understanding. Love it when we learn the language of the ethnic group, learn the dance, learn the song. Sharing our beautiful cultures. Loving each other, marrying each other. Marriage is valued. Building a community for both worlds, incorporating the good in each world.

That is Afraka to me!

When you come back here, you see the senseless way of life here. You see true white male domination, the plight and blight of our people. You want to pick them up and take them to a peaceful place. YOu want them to know, that they have a choice to stay here or go home. You have a choice now.

Dig a la! as they say in Wolof in Senegal. I hear you!. Can you dig it! Oldiesman, Afraka changes you, bottomline. Have you been there yet? You will not be the same when you go. You will expereince peace, love for elders, sharing, caring, family, community, history and culture in the midst of poverty. Sometimes crime, but usually not.

It makes one want to bring all of our youth there to see the respect for the elders and family. Total respect. You will experience creativity in every facet of life there. Now, it is not easy there. It can be hot, the misquitos will eat you alive, and can be dry, it can be hard, but all that makes you a better person. Black people all around you, in positions of power. Entreprenuership to the nth degree from children to adults. Black men sewing, cooking, making jewelry, and shoes, women doing the same. What a beautiful sight. Walking in the middle of the night anywhere without fear. No drive bys, no guns. Singing and dancing constantly everywhere. Praying, deep deep spirituality. Elegant women, proud proud men.

Love for us Afrakan amerikkkan's culture. Love of James Brown, Bob Marley, rappers, everything we've created here in amerikkka. Looking to us for acceptance and skills to help them to develop. Rather deal with us than white folks. Looking to us., our Afrakan diasporan creativity, our beautiful culture, our intelligence, our knowledge, wisdom and understanding. Love it when we learn the language of the ethnic group, learn the dance, learn the song. Sharing our beautiful cultures. Loving each other, marrying each other. Marriage is valued. Building a community for both worlds, incorporating the good in each world.

That is Afraka to me!

When you come back here, you see the senseless way of life here. You see true white male domination, the plight and blight of our people. You want to pick them up and take them to a peaceful place. YOu want them to know, that they have a choice to stay here or go home. You have a choice now.

that sounds nice, i plan on making a trip to the mutha before I die. its good to hear a positive account. I hear people always focusing on those in afrika who chase after whites, im sure they exist but i know there are those that got love for afrikan amerikkkans.

so are Asian Americans Asian or Yellow??

I heard an Afrikan guy said, "don't call me black I am Zambian". That was before he married that white chic LOL.

the word Afrikan comes from white any how so I have no problem being called black. I have no problem with Afrikan either, our (black folk) culture here in Amerikkka is similar to Afrikan culture, verry similar.

AGAIN I ASK WHY DO BLACK FOLK ALWAYS WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT WHAT TO CALL THEM SELVES. I MEAN WHY DONT DONT I HEAR ITALIAN AMERIKKKANS , OR IRISH , OR ASIAN AMERIKKKANS TRYING TO SEPERATE THE SELVES FROM THEIR HOME LAND?????? EVEN IF THEY ARE TEN GENERATIONS DEEP, ITALIANS AND SO FORTH ARE ALWAYS PROUD OF THEIR HERITAGE.WHY DO WE SHOW SUCH HATRED WHEN WE ARE REFERRED TO AS AFRIKAN?

i'm not arguing. i know what i am so i am not concerned with however you or anyone else choose to group me. just because they say don't make it so... anyhoo... i am a host of many different things.. none of which can be correctly grouped or catorgorized as simply being black, african, afrikan, cuban, so and so forth.

i doubt if asian people will be thrilled at the prospect of being called yellow. so no i wouldn't call them yellow. however... that does not negate the fact that i consider myself a Black American....

i'm not arguing. i know what i am so i am not concerned with however you or anyone else choose to group me. just because they say don't make it so... anyhoo... i am a host of many different things.. none of which can be correctly grouped or catorgorized as simply being black, african, afrikan, cuban, so and so forth.

i doubt if asian people will be thrilled at the prospect of being called yellow. so no i wouldn't call them yellow. however... that does not negate the fact that i consider myself a Black American....

it just puzzles me why we are the only people who go out of our way to disassociate with our origins. like i said i have no problem with black eing that africa is a white name.however being my ancestors were from so called afrika thats a part of me too speaking for my self.

according to the original constitution , you are not even fully human let a lone american. i am not arguing either just presenting questions and points. i am not "grouping you". you are grouping your self saying i am "american". you are a citizen sure, but where is your place of origin? would oscar dela hoya an american citizen still be considerewd mexican? what about say actress rosie perez a puertorican american.

not trying to change any ones mind here, i think we as a people need to try to stop seperating our selves. our history as black folk goes back way farther then amerikkka as we all know.