do you ubelive in premonitions, clairvoyance, psychic abilities.

many of our elder belive in these things, claim to have these powers?

i have at least three relatives who are said to have had this abilities.

i too used to have dreams, usually bad dreams, about people i know. a few days later i would have a sense of deja vu because the events that happened would be similar to my dreams.

if you have these "powers" how do you determine which are just dreams and which are visions?

I do believe that some folk have the ability to "see" things. I'm not one of them. I rarely even dream, let alone "dream dreams." I'm also kinda scared to take part in such carrying ons, readings, fortunes, etc. The way I figure it, I've got enough to deal with handling the stuff that has made itself present and known in my life ... let alone trying to reach out to the stuff that God has not allowed itself to be manifest to me. Nope. I'm satisfied waiting till God brings it into my view.

There is bible scripture that upholds the fact that there are such people amongst us. If no mistake, in the old testament, God forbade everyone to have any dealings with them (for the purpose of "seeing" their future), yet there was one who was in battle, and needed to know what the end was gonna be ... or something like this ... anyway, he did what God had said not to do, and went to one of these folk ... the news was bad ... he and all his sons would be losing their life in battle. Of course this is not word-for-word ...

There may be scripture that granted permission again, allowing these folk to be sought out ... I don't know ... but for me ... I got enough to deal with looking at the issues that are smack dab in the middle of the table ...

Thandiwe ... I would think, with my very limited ability to do so, that if one was blessed to have such "powers" they would also be blessed to discern that power. Again, I don't know ... just think'n ... :)

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Destee

you are strengthen in all gifts given and yes he does give the spirit of discernment ....... try the spirit by the spirt ..... this advice is in reference to God given gifts ..... not fortune telling and psychics. we all are clairvoyant in the area of human behavior, we able to judge by other expression or mannerisms when something is wrong or even if they're happy it basically just being attentive to the enviroment around you and all that inhabits it..... the stronger your awarness is the more in touch you are with gift given

Destee, i've read that we all dream every night. however, you must awaken during the dream in order to remember it. the why many of us can remember when we have bad dreams, we wake up panicked.

in religion, don't they call people prophets or is this different?

Herlove, are you saying they we actually use these "gifts" everyday without awareness. and yes, we have all been able to sense trouble, know when somethings aren't right, particularly we our children.

i've also heard it said they we all hve the gifts, but children are even more open. we, as adults, dismiss these things and may think of them as coincidences.

Herlove, then do you always been in the power of (mann, i can think of the term right now) but the ability to move things with one's mind.

and i also believe that these things, gifts are not to be used for evil or bad purposes.

I think in the majority we are conditioned not to believe in psychic ability, clairvoyancy, esp or lucid dreaming....many people consider this to be not real, a hoax or a con job.....

but if we look back over nearly all ancient civilisations, nearly all of them possessed some type of magic, or special ability and practiced it on a daily basis....

personally I do believe that certain people have this ability...I also believe, as you said earlier, that we can dream and then a few days later get a strong sense of dejavu, when something happens in our life to mirror our dreams....we dream during periods of R.E.M or active sleep, which can occur approx. every 90 to 100 minutes, if you happen to be woken or wake during this period, then you will remember your dream...

I have also read somewhere that a lot of people may possess psychic ability but do not know how to channel it properly to make it work....but these same people usually have feelings about things prior to their happening....

I guess like so many things if you want to open your mind to the possibility that they exist, then you will believe that they can and do happen....

as for your comment about children being more open, maybe that's as you say, children accept things without question, adults do not and therefore are more dismissive of an idea...

K

you're just full of information, aren't you Kitana? I like that!!!

I just have a deep abiding passion to read anything and everything and I love to learn and try to understand things I have limited or no knowledge of....;)

K

and open to the possibilities, i see. ;) :)

Okay, I'm only coming with my own opinion, beliefs, and experiences.... We are spiritual beings, that's how God created us, that's how He communes with us. In Eden, Adam and Eve used 100% of their brain power so they had full capacity of all God designed for us. After sin and over time, man only uses about 5% of brain capacity, so we don't user the full capacity God designed for us. That said, we don't have the full use of our spiritual connections but God still communes with us that way.

I do believe that people have dreams and premonitions. I've had dreams about death that have come true. I know of people who dream of births and deaths and pregnancies, etc. As far as psychics and people that talk to the dead, I don't believe that's a God given gift (i know i'm gonna get flack for that). In the Bible it says that the "dead know nothing," so how can someone talk to a person that has died? I'm sure that demons can effectively impersonate folk that used to be alive.

The Bible reference Destee referred to is in 1Samuel 28. In 1 Samuel 15 and 16, God rejected Saul because Saul rejected Him. In chapter 28, Saul sought God's guidance about a battle and when God didn't answer, he sought a soothesayer (psychic) which God was against. I don't think that has changed. I don't think He wants us to look to palm readers and psychics and channelers, astrologers, numerologists, etc. Psychics and the like that call themselves Christians or following God mystify me.

Real prophets receive visions, dreams, and guidance from God. Their messages can be tested by prayer and the Bible for authenticity.

That's my take on the question you put out there. -7:spinstar:

wildflower, i can respect your opinion. that's all i'm asking here. :)

however, do you believe that our ancestors communicate with us. afterall, life isn't supposed to end after death. if you believe there is a heaven then they would still be alive, correct.

here's an example: my grandmother died some years ago. i was bother because i didn't get a chance to say goodbye to her. i was also the only grandchild to not have married and/or have children. shortly after her death, she came to me. i awoken from my sleep when i felt a presence in the room. i felt the weight of another on my bed, though i was laying alone. she told me, everything would be okay. she didn't actually speak as we do, out loud, but i felt what she was saying.

here's another example. my mom lives in a very old building. when we first moved in the building i would get flashes of a presence. i'd feel like someone was there. at firt i thought it was just me. but then jokingly i brought it up one day in a conversation. my sister, too, felt it. we never saw a person or anything, but i would be like seeing someone go past you from the corner of your eyes.

i don't know all the expertise on the subject but our ancestors were believed to rely and count on their deceased relatives for guidance.

I do believe in heaven and life after death but life after death when Jesus comes again. I don't believe that when you die, you go to heaven (the dead in Christ will go to heaven when he comes again). I don't believe that ancestors communicate with us. I don't believe that there are souls of people that died existing here on earth. I believe those things to be angels that fell with Lucifer impersonating those that were alive. Not holy angels sent by God.
I know that there are religions that do look to ancestors for guidance (I know someone who believes in that) but from my understanding, we should be looking to God for guidance and we don't need anyone/thing else. That's how I live my life. At the same time, I'm not going to shun someone who believes that way. Neither am I discrediting anyone's experience.

This is a very interesting subject. I really dont understand how ppl can be Prophets in the church and ppl except it but they call ppl like Sylvia Brown and other psychics...the work of the devil or what not. How do we distinguish the two? How do we know if either are real?

SistaMoon, i'm sure you are aware that there are all kinds of contradictions in our society. ;)

Do you believe in any of the "paranormal" i mentioned?

Thank you WildFlower! That was the scripture exactly. For those who would like to read it ... here it is ... 1 Samuel 28:3-19

3 Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had lamented him, and buried him in Ramah, even in his own city. And Saul had put away those that had familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land. 4 And the Philistines gathered themselves together, and came and pitched in Shunem: and Saul gathered all Israel together, and they pitched in Gilboa. 5 And when Saul saw the host of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled. 6 And when Saul enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets. 7 Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor. 8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. 9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? 10 And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing. 11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. 16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David: 18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day. 19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.Evidence, according to the Bible, that such abilities do exist and evidence that we may not spoze to mess with them.

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Destee

Sistamoon... I don't claim to follow any present day prophets. When I speak of prophets, I'm speaking of those in the Bible. There is a person one of the founders of the the religion I observe that is looked upon as a prophet, but she never called herself a prophet (like many do today) and she just simply conveyed in books and sermons what she was given in visions. Prophets can be tested by what they produce; compare it to the Bible. If you don't believe in the Bible or God than the subject is null and void, right? If I'm not mistaken there is a place in the Bible that shows you what to look for when testing a prophet but I can't tell you where off hand, I have to research a little more.
And it's ALL real... we're just not supposed to mess with it ALL. If you believe in God, you should be asking Him to guide you through all this.

We all once had these abilities but our further movement/connection away from our creators we lose these abilities. Just because one may visit their holy house such as churches etc does not mean you have these abilities more than those who don't. Some are more tuned in than others, some are more sensitive than others.

I sometimes get visions/dreams that are warnings and I take heed,and it has never failed me. However, I have a friend that something may happen and later on she will mention a dream she had prior to this but unlike me she pays no attention.

But back to the subject of Clairvoyance, I do not agree with the likes of those on TV etc whose prime motive is money. If a Clairvoyance ask you for your personal details then they are a fake because if they were real then they should know this information prior to you contacting them .........RIGHT!

do you ubelive in premonitions, clairvoyance, psychic abilities.

many of our elder belive in these things, claim to have these powers?

i have at least three relatives who are said to have had this abilities.

i too used to have dreams, usually bad dreams, about people i know. a few days later i would have a sense of deja vu because the events that happened would be similar to my dreams.

if you have these "powers" how do you determine which are just dreams and which are visions?


I believe in spiritual gifts.

yes, lets all avoid women named Claire....:SuN049:

yes, lets all avoid women named Claire....:SuN049:


No, Ms. Claire is all right.


It's MISS CLEO you need to stay away from! lol