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Mike Ramey
08-22-2002, 03:48 AM
Throwaway Sons and Keeper Daughters

A few years ago, I first tackled this topic of ‘sons’ and ‘daughters’. Based upon new readership, coupled with more Internet exposure, I have dug back into the ‘gold’ file to bring this one forward.
I’d like to open with a question. Time was that mothers cried at weddings.

Why are more FATHERS crying at weddings these days?
Is it because of the cost?
Is it because of the location?
Is it because of the fact that their ‘baby girl’ is finally getting ‘hitched’?

No, none of these reasons. More Fathers are crying at weddings because their future son-in-law is JUST as BAD as feared he would be!
Brothers, we’d better get a firm grip on the young men who make up the next generation that is coming up behind us, and make sure that they understand that the only place success comes before WORK is in the DICTIONARY!
You’ll find out why I’m concerned, in just a few lines.

WHO IS RAISING WHOM?
Now, let’s all catch our breath, and go over a few ‘realities’.

First, if the truth were told, not all of our young men have gone wrong. Yes, there are a few, but the majority of them are hard working, honest, moral, and are NOT sleeping around, nor shacking up. If they were, their parents (be they two parent home, or single parent home) would have KILLED them DEAD by now. In the words of Bill Cosby: “I brought you INTO this world, and I can TAKE YOU OUT!”

Better take your medication for this section, brothers, because sooner or later, ‘THEY’ WILL be showing up at your house, looking for your daughter. And SHE will have invited them.
Who is ‘THEY’?
Those pants-drooping, gold-wearing, nappy-headed, diamond-in-the-ear, uneducated knuckleheads who criss-cross the landscape of the school, the church--and the jailhouse. The ones who think that it’s OK that the WOMAN work, and the MAN stay at home to watch Rap Videos and do HIS nails.

Now, if the truth were told, not all of our daughters are princesses, nor are all of our sons brutes. Somewhere, WE--as a people--have ‘bought’ into the LIE that we need to be MORE concerned about raising our daughters, and letting our sons merely ‘exist’.

Check out any TV newscast or your local newspaper. Whenever we see a family featured, the camera or the writer is MORE concerned about the status of the ‘girls’ in the family. Where are they going to college? What careers will the go into? Can they kick a soccer ball, or shoot a basketball? If there are any sons in the home, they are quickly overlooked. Even the father is overlooked, as the TV camera quickly gets the ‘words of wisdom’ from the mother, and very few words from the father.

I've even noticed, among SOME single parents, the 'itch' to talk about how their 'daughters' never seem to have trouble with the law or school, but their 'sons'....well....

PRODUCERS OR CONSUMERS?

The tragedy in our ‘feminized’ society is the following: We have grown more sensitive to making sure that our DAUGHTERS have degrees, and NO household skills; and our SONS know how to cook, clean, and sew--WITHOUT an education. It’s almost as if we WANT our sons to be ‘consumers’ rather than fill their rightful role as ‘producers’. Have we been in this country for nearly 400 years, survived slavery, segregation, Jim Crow, and other atrocities--to put our OWN race out of business by making our young men invisible, and our young women high-profile?

I would HOPE not, but this IS the way things are LOOKING!

African-Americans are the number one consumers (according to research I have listed in other columns) of the mainstream press. WE watch MORE television, by MORE Cds, and got to MORE movies than any of the other cultures in this land!

We are already seeing the impact of this ‘attitude’ in the realm of ‘Throwaway’ sons and ‘Keeper’ daughters. More and more articles are coming out, showing more and more young women showing up on college and university campuses, far outnumbering the incoming young men. Two articles released just in the third quarter of 2002 further underscored the point, as OUR young women were asked about the ‘low’ number of OUR young men in higher education.

NOT JUST ‘OUR’ PROBLEM:

To make matters worse, this is NOT something that is just affecting African Americans. Caucasians are noticing the same thing happening in their ranks. To make matters worse, there are ONLY three all-male colleges in the USA, and more than 70 all-female colleges.

If a young man does not have an education, nor has any aspiration to graduate from high school, college, or even trade school, who is going to provide for YOUR grandchildren?

That’s right--YOUR daughter!

Unless YOU want the job to raise a whole new generation of children (which, by the way, more and more grandparents are doing)!

Now, let me say up front, there is NOTHING wrong with a young woman going off to school and getting all the education she can. She is going to have to support herself as she moves out from under your roof. However, the reality is HER education is ONLY a means of helping her future husband and family. We USED to have both parents working outside of the home in the Black community, without the aid of federal grants and studies, and the kids turned out to realize that EVERYONE has a role in keeping a home going.

However, somewhere along the way, we have lost sight of the fact that HUSBANDS are to be the providers for WIVES after the ‘I Do’s’ are exchanged. Not the OTHER way around, as the PC crowd likes to have ‘shown’ in the mainstream press.

OUR OWN FORM OF ‘POLITICAL AMNESIA’:

Even in the ranks of politics and business, OUR people keep OUR young men invisible, and our young women high profile. I have noticed that when a Black company ‘makes it’, you see more of our young women, than young men. In politics--regardless of party--if the office holder is Black, you see more of our young women on his staff than young men. Check out the photos. Who is there, and who is NOT?

We talk a wonderful game about how ‘we’ want our young men to achieve. However, when the photos are taken, the studies are finished, and the TV camera lights are dimmed, we STILL have few young brothers in the game. Many of us have ‘relegated’ them to the sidelines.

No wonder many of our young brothers are not achieving. Some of us are great roadblocks and discouragers, rather than way clearers and up lifters! There are dozens of young men of color who go overlooked, under encouraged, and under appreciated by their OWN people! Especially Black-owned companies and businesses.

LET’S STOP THE HYPOCRISY:

Brothers, take a GOOD look at your sons and daughters.

Are you raising BOTH of them right? For in reality, you are RAISING someone else’s future HUSBAND or WIFE! If yours are NOT right, what are you ‘passing on’ to someone who IS right?
A hand grenade with the pin pulled.
Yes, I have heard about the ‘single parent’ issue. However, time was a single parent was feared by their children. They would NOT rest until each child was taught right, and DID right. FAR TOO MANY single parents are letting the streets raise their sons, and are ‘best buddies’ with their daughters.

What goes around comes around, brothers.
Usually on YOUR daughter’s wedding day.

Mike Ramey is the author of THE MANHOOD LINE. A monthly, syndicated column written from a biblical, business, and common sense perspective for men. Email welcome to manhoodline@yahoo.com. © 2002 Mike Ramey/Barnstorm Communications International (1).

$$RICH$$
08-27-2002, 12:51 AM
man Mike i was in the teaching of a lovin home where Dad
gave us da knowledge and Mom set forth the wisdom
indeed their was no way i could ever sleep ova play around
and dip into emotional state of mind yes their are some that's
wack out but i learned they are misguided in direction of no man
land that makes them hardball but again as u said who's teaching
who these dayz nothing like da old golden dayz
da church was my home see my father took me under his wings
long ago as a little boy gave me direction set my feet on da path
which he stood as a man showed me what a man was how to be a man yes we are losing the battle if we don't get out more we
will see no more kingz for the whole summer as school was out
i took my youngest son under my wings not to go inside camps
and play all day but learn the value of life how to work and be
a man of class a real warrior learn not to take yet give wisely
we sit and read nightly it's a must now my older son working
on his GOD given talent moving forward as he seek knowledge
here is my biggest fight to show him da steps of a man
as a young Father him self he must set sail for his son the waves
in our ocean if moving forward but yet we still have lost so many
you have hit key points here .....truely i have these guys reading
u daily we need to reach out and set the table and path for young men i'll give my part just other bruthas need to step in
those one whom bare child without a male in the child life as he
grow and blossom surely he will fall to the cross mixed reality
on life and find self living free working as he play and again
who's foolin who or who controls daily living see man is the power
of every strong home but we are under by numbers
like a bid the score seem to be 39% we are under half......

Mike Ramey
08-27-2002, 01:35 AM
I'm sensing a move back toward a stable home!

Man has tried everything else...and it has FAILED!

$$RICH$$
08-27-2002, 01:46 AM
so the brain storm is almost over
MAN shell over come the dim thoughts
and stand up again be heard and teach
the word to live by!

Destee
11-05-2002, 04:36 AM
Good Read Mike Ramey :toast:

prometheusunbou
04-13-2003, 04:15 PM
your on the money whit that mike

sbjones
06-24-2003, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by Mike Ramey
Throwaway Sons and Keeper Daughters

A few years ago, I first tackled this topic of ‘sons’ and ‘daughters’. Based upon new readership, coupled with more Internet exposure, I have dug back into the ‘gold’ file to bring this one forward.
I’d like to open with a question. Time was that mothers cried at weddings.

Why are more FATHERS crying at weddings these days?
Is it because of the cost?
Is it because of the location?
Is it because of the fact that their ‘baby girl’ is finally getting ‘hitched’?

No, none of these reasons. More Fathers are crying at weddings because their future son-in-law is JUST as BAD as feared he would be!
Brothers, we’d better get a firm grip on the young men who make up the next generation that is coming up behind us, and make sure that they understand that the only place success comes before WORK is in the DICTIONARY!
You’ll find out why I’m concerned, in just a few lines.

WHO IS RAISING WHOM?
Now, let’s all catch our breath, and go over a few ‘realities’.

First, if the truth were told, not all of our young men have gone wrong. Yes, there are a few, but the majority of them are hard working, honest, moral, and are NOT sleeping around, nor shacking up. If they were, their parents (be they two parent home, or single parent home) would have KILLED them DEAD by now. In the words of Bill Cosby: “I brought you INTO this world, and I can TAKE YOU OUT!”

Better take your medication for this section, brothers, because sooner or later, ‘THEY’ WILL be showing up at your house, looking for your daughter. And SHE will have invited them.
Who is ‘THEY’?
Those pants-drooping, gold-wearing, nappy-headed, diamond-in-the-ear, uneducated knuckleheads who criss-cross the landscape of the school, the church--and the jailhouse. The ones who think that it’s OK that the WOMAN work, and the MAN stay at home to watch Rap Videos and do HIS nails.

Now, if the truth were told, not all of our daughters are princesses, nor are all of our sons brutes. Somewhere, WE--as a people--have ‘bought’ into the LIE that we need to be MORE concerned about raising our daughters, and letting our sons merely ‘exist’.

Check out any TV newscast or your local newspaper. Whenever we see a family featured, the camera or the writer is MORE concerned about the status of the ‘girls’ in the family. Where are they going to college? What careers will the go into? Can they kick a soccer ball, or shoot a basketball? If there are any sons in the home, they are quickly overlooked. Even the father is overlooked, as the TV camera quickly gets the ‘words of wisdom’ from the mother, and very few words from the father.

I've even noticed, among SOME single parents, the 'itch' to talk about how their 'daughters' never seem to have trouble with the law or school, but their 'sons'....well....

PRODUCERS OR CONSUMERS?

The tragedy in our ‘feminized’ society is the following: We have grown more sensitive to making sure that our DAUGHTERS have degrees, and NO household skills; and our SONS know how to cook, clean, and sew--WITHOUT an education. It’s almost as if we WANT our sons to be ‘consumers’ rather than fill their rightful role as ‘producers’. Have we been in this country for nearly 400 years, survived slavery, segregation, Jim Crow, and other atrocities--to put our OWN race out of business by making our young men invisible, and our young women high-profile?

I would HOPE not, but this IS the way things are LOOKING!

African-Americans are the number one consumers (according to research I have listed in other columns) of the mainstream press. WE watch MORE television, by MORE Cds, and got to MORE movies than any of the other cultures in this land!

We are already seeing the impact of this ‘attitude’ in the realm of ‘Throwaway’ sons and ‘Keeper’ daughters. More and more articles are coming out, showing more and more young women showing up on college and university campuses, far outnumbering the incoming young men. Two articles released just in the third quarter of 2002 further underscored the point, as OUR young women were asked about the ‘low’ number of OUR young men in higher education.

NOT JUST ‘OUR’ PROBLEM:

To make matters worse, this is NOT something that is just affecting African Americans. Caucasians are noticing the same thing happening in their ranks. To make matters worse, there are ONLY three all-male colleges in the USA, and more than 70 all-female colleges.

If a young man does not have an education, nor has any aspiration to graduate from high school, college, or even trade school, who is going to provide for YOUR grandchildren?

That’s right--YOUR daughter!

Unless YOU want the job to raise a whole new generation of children (which, by the way, more and more grandparents are doing)!

Now, let me say up front, there is NOTHING wrong with a young woman going off to school and getting all the education she can. She is going to have to support herself as she moves out from under your roof. However, the reality is HER education is ONLY a means of helping her future husband and family. We USED to have both parents working outside of the home in the Black community, without the aid of federal grants and studies, and the kids turned out to realize that EVERYONE has a role in keeping a home going.

However, somewhere along the way, we have lost sight of the fact that HUSBANDS are to be the providers for WIVES after the ‘I Do’s’ are exchanged. Not the OTHER way around, as the PC crowd likes to have ‘shown’ in the mainstream press.

OUR OWN FORM OF ‘POLITICAL AMNESIA’:

Even in the ranks of politics and business, OUR people keep OUR young men invisible, and our young women high profile. I have noticed that when a Black company ‘makes it’, you see more of our young women, than young men. In politics--regardless of party--if the office holder is Black, you see more of our young women on his staff than young men. Check out the photos. Who is there, and who is NOT?

We talk a wonderful game about how ‘we’ want our young men to achieve. However, when the photos are taken, the studies are finished, and the TV camera lights are dimmed, we STILL have few young brothers in the game. Many of us have ‘relegated’ them to the sidelines.

No wonder many of our young brothers are not achieving. Some of us are great roadblocks and discouragers, rather than way clearers and up lifters! There are dozens of young men of color who go overlooked, under encouraged, and under appreciated by their OWN people! Especially Black-owned companies and businesses.

LET’S STOP THE HYPOCRISY:

Brothers, take a GOOD look at your sons and daughters.

Are you raising BOTH of them right? For in reality, you are RAISING someone else’s future HUSBAND or WIFE! If yours are NOT right, what are you ‘passing on’ to someone who IS right?
A hand grenade with the pin pulled.
Yes, I have heard about the ‘single parent’ issue. However, time was a single parent was feared by their children. They would NOT rest until each child was taught right, and DID right. FAR TOO MANY single parents are letting the streets raise their sons, and are ‘best buddies’ with their daughters.

What goes around comes around, brothers.
Usually on YOUR daughter’s wedding day.

Mike Ramey is the author of THE MANHOOD LINE. A monthly, syndicated column written from a biblical, business, and common sense perspective for men. Email welcome to manhoodline@yahoo.com. © 2002 Mike Ramey/Barnstorm Communications International (1). Brilliant !!!

$$RICH$$
07-04-2003, 02:48 AM
yes Mike ya research and work has become very much a value
Thank u brutha

Mike Ramey
07-10-2003, 12:31 AM
...sorry I have been a little slow in responding. KEM and I have been burning a few issues (LOL)! It's been a blast watching the fire!

Anyway, hope you have had a great Independence Day! I know that I did!

:toast: To the one true Super Moderator of Destee's Boards!


Mike Ramey

cherryblossom
04-14-2009, 08:23 PM
With the high rate of single parent households today, WHO'S getting MARRIED?!

Unfortunately, we have a whole lotta reproducing going on but, proportionately, very little nuptials taking place.

A friend's 22 y/o daughter just got married last month before her high school sweetheart was deployed to Iraq.

All of her peers and, sadly, some of her adult relatives asked her if she was pregnant. It is a shame when our youth and others are shocked to see two people get married without children.

oldiesman
04-15-2009, 11:20 AM
With the high rate of single parent households today, WHO'S getting MARRIED?!

Unfortunately, we have a whole lotta reproducing going on but, proportionately, very little nuptials taking place.

A friend's 22 y/o daughter just got married last month before her high school sweetheart was deployed to Iraq.

All of her peers and, sadly, some of her adult relatives asked her if she was pregnant. It is a shame when our youth and others are shocked to see two people get married without children.yes it is but these are the times we live in,i guess i'm old fashioned enough to still believe that if a child is brought up in a home with both mother and father and are taught values then when the time comes for him-her to make a choice about being with a special someone then they will choose marriage over shacking.

cherryblossom
04-15-2009, 11:41 AM
yes it is but these are the times we live in,i guess i'm old fashioned enough to still believe that if a child is brought up in a home with both mother and father and are taught values then when the time comes for him-her to make a choice about being with a special someone then they will choose marriage over shacking.

Even if not reared in a two-parent home, a child can be brought up with those same values.

The young woman I spoke of was raised by her single mother. Now, yes, her mother and father were once married but had divorced and he was not a part of her life. Her father remarried and had other children with his new wife and always put those children before this oldest child. So, she was reared in a single home since she was a small child. And all her life, she has yearned for her father's attention, to know that she matters to him. He lives just across town from her, but his "new wife and family" always came before her.

The only father-figure she had was her grandfather.

It's such a sad story, but I am so happy that she is 22 y/o, married and no children. And when her husband returns from Iraq, they can start a family when they get ready.

$$RICH$$
04-15-2009, 09:34 PM
yes it is but these are the times we live in,i guess i'm old fashioned enough to still believe that if a child is brought up in a home with both mother and father and are taught values then when the time comes for him-her to make a choice about being with a special someone then they will choose marriage over shacking.


I agree here , with lots of hope that this would happen to get back to the
old family way when mates join together let it be in marriage not shacking

cherryblossom
04-16-2009, 02:09 PM
I agree here , with lots of hope that this would happen to get back to the
old family way when mates join together let it be in marriage not shacking

Like you and Oldiesman, I support it and agree with it too. But, IMI, it's gonna take some time to reverse how far the Black family has fallen.

$$RICH$$
04-16-2009, 07:06 PM
Like you and Oldiesman, I support it and agree with it too. But, IMI, it's gonna take some time to reverse how far the Black family has fallen.


If we base it from the great pass then we have fallen far behind and down
when it comes to mates / nowdays mates are just blank buddies with some
feelings but not deep enough to get married !

I wonder why that is ?:qqb010:

cherryblossom
04-20-2009, 09:11 AM
If we base it from the great pass then we have fallen far behind and down
when it comes to mates / nowdays mates are just blank buddies with some
feelings but not deep enough to get married !

I wonder why that is ?:qqb010:


Four decades of teen pregnancies and single motherhood.

$$RICH$$
05-31-2009, 12:52 PM
Four decades of teen pregnancies and single motherhood.

Yes i agree in whole so we must do better jobs raising our youth to end this
long line that has broken family morals .

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